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Since there is no PR or proposal at present upon which to comment, supporters (and detractors) are invited to discuss and register interest on the [scala debate post](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/scala-debate/4-CE9Lpf6CM/UJrhS9cyYcgJ) prior to the August 13th meeting. At that time we will discuss whether to invite the proposal, and in what form (SIP or SLIP).
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