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| 1 | +# io.js TC Meeting 2015-01-21 |
| 2 | + |
| 3 | +## Links |
| 4 | + |
| 5 | +* **Google Hangouts Video**: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUoWlIshY9s |
| 6 | +* **GitHub Issue**: https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/509 |
| 7 | +* **Original Minutes Google Doc**: https://docs.google.com//document/d/1yOS17cUt7QUHJXxdVmEpS1ZS_N32HMO9QTHb2qL-KHk |
| 8 | + |
| 9 | +## Agenda |
| 10 | + |
| 11 | +Extracted from https://github.com/iojs/io.js/labels/tc-agenda prior to meeting. |
| 12 | + |
| 13 | +* Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/403) |
| 14 | +* Governance: Add new collaborators (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/234) |
| 15 | +* Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/405) |
| 16 | + * also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy) (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/251) |
| 17 | +* doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’ (https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/470) |
| 18 | +* Working group reports |
| 19 | + * Streams |
| 20 | + * Website |
| 21 | +* ICU |
| 22 | + |
| 23 | +## Minutes |
| 24 | + |
| 25 | +### Present |
| 26 | + |
| 27 | +* Bert (TC) |
| 28 | +* Ben (TC) |
| 29 | +* Chris (TC) |
| 30 | +* Colin (TC) |
| 31 | +* Fedor (TC) |
| 32 | +* Isaac (TC) |
| 33 | +* Mikeal |
| 34 | +* Rod |
| 35 | +* Domenic |
| 36 | + |
| 37 | +### Mini stand-up |
| 38 | + |
| 39 | +* Bert: Release, polish, Windows installer, Windows XP, ICU |
| 40 | +* Ben: Fixing bugs, reviewing PRs, maintenance |
| 41 | +* Chris: Cleaning up points where core reaches in to private state of streams, TLS bug with New Relic |
| 42 | +* Colin: Reviewing PRs, moving vars to ES6 consts |
| 43 | +* Fedor: Commenting, working on replacement for GYP, written in C: https://github.com/indutny/pyg |
| 44 | +* Isaac: npm stuff, some streams discussing |
| 45 | +* Mikeal: Website WG, social media accounts, facebook, G+, etc. |
| 46 | +* Domenic: Changelog & Release, clarifying V8 stuff |
| 47 | +* Rod: Release, etc. |
| 48 | + |
| 49 | +### Review of last meeting |
| 50 | + |
| 51 | +* File copyright policy #216 |
| 52 | + - LICENSE file |
| 53 | +* governance: Add new Collaborators #234 |
| 54 | + - Deferred to this meeting |
| 55 | +* The state of ES6 on io.js _(re V8 upgrade policy)_ #251 |
| 56 | + - Only discussed V8 upgrade policy, re 3.31 vs 3.30 |
| 57 | +* 1.0.0 release checklist |
| 58 | + |
| 59 | + |
| 60 | +### Invite Domenic Denicola to the TC Meetings |
| 61 | + |
| 62 | +(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/403) |
| 63 | + |
| 64 | +Enough agreement on GitHub and in private communications amongst TC. **Done.** |
| 65 | + |
| 66 | +### Governance: Add new collaborators |
| 67 | + |
| 68 | +(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/234) |
| 69 | + |
| 70 | +* Mikeal: Proposed Chris leads an onboarding process, do a Hangout with a group of people from the original list who are willing to go through the process and take them in the first week and iterate from there. |
| 71 | +* Bert: +1 for an onboarding process, more interested in handing out voting rights to a larger group. |
| 72 | +* Mikeal: Would rather separate the voting rights issue from adding contributors, make a separate issue for this with ideas and come back to it at next meeting. |
| 73 | +* Ben: is an onboarding process necessary? New contributor should pick it up fairly quickly. |
| 74 | +* Chris: How we review code and deal with issues (cultural things) is hard to get across with just a written process. |
| 75 | +* Isaac: Basically apprentice model for joyent/node but faster and more inclusive. Some brief instruction on how to do things. |
| 76 | +* Mikeal: adding collaborators gives us an informal voting process, +/-1s on issues with the “collaborator” badge |
| 77 | +* Bert: would like to widen and formalise the voting process |
| 78 | +* Mikeal: wants to tackle the issue by bringing org to the roadmap repo, will bring Bert in on the process |
| 79 | + |
| 80 | +Discussed whether onboarding should be mandatory. |
| 81 | + |
| 82 | +Proposal: **take anyone proposed that +1s in that thread, mandatory onboarding process by Chris, limited by how many he can take.** |
| 83 | + |
| 84 | +Passed |
| 85 | + |
| 86 | + |
| 87 | +### Stabilization and Release Cycles and Process |
| 88 | + |
| 89 | +(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/405) |
| 90 | + |
| 91 | +#### V8 |
| 92 | + |
| 93 | +* Mikeal: |
| 94 | + - how to align with V8 process and increase collaboration |
| 95 | + - semver + V8 introduces some challenges |
| 96 | +* Domenic: V8 is synced to Chrome releases, Beta should ship with the version that ships with release |
| 97 | +* Ben: is the proposal to stick with stable V8 release that’s in stable Chrome? |
| 98 | +* Domenic: ideally some “beta” version of io.js that uses a Beta V8 |
| 99 | +* Mikeal: we need more releases to get experience with this, assumption is that at some point we say “this is stable” and have a stable and unstable branch. |
| 100 | +* Discussed current release patterns, how they map to minor/patch |
| 101 | +* Domenic: we are in a “danger zone” |
| 102 | +* Mikeal & Domenic discussed how you might achieve a “canary” |
| 103 | +* Bert: proposal: |
| 104 | + - io.js track stable V8, bump minor and possibly major as required |
| 105 | + - have a pre-release that tracks the Beta |
| 106 | +* Domenic: would like to keep V8 version upgrades as a separate concern to other experimental additions to io.js, decouple from io.js releases / semver? |
| 107 | +* Ben: happy with stable proposal, want to move discussion on unstable to an issue for further discussion. |
| 108 | +* Action: **Ben file an issue to discuss how unstable works** |
| 109 | +* **Agreement: V8 should track stable** |
| 110 | + |
| 111 | +#### Logo |
| 112 | + |
| 113 | +* Discussed logo-per-release |
| 114 | +* Mikeal: we need a versatile logo to use across all web / social presences. Having a logo to designate a release would be good. |
| 115 | +* Mikeal: ideally website team would like JSON file containing release info to be checked in to the website repo upon completion. |
| 116 | + |
| 117 | +#### Releases |
| 118 | + |
| 119 | +* Rod: patch releases should be frequent, there have been 4 so far, it seems to be working well but we should monitor |
| 120 | +* Domenic: frequent releases should be normal, patch & minor should just be part of the normal process |
| 121 | +* Bert: would be good to have API change notes into the git log |
| 122 | +* Discussed further about how to deal with API changes minor/major, unstable branches, etc. |
| 123 | +* **Agreement: patch and minor releases are merged as part of normal business, a release then is either a patch or minor bump depending on what was merged.** |
| 124 | +* Move discussion about tagging vs git log recording for patch/minor/major to GitHub. |
| 125 | +* **Punt on discussions about who can release and how that happens** |
| 126 | +* **Punt on discussions about synchronizing with important ecosystem projects (NAN, node-gyp, nvm, etc.)** |
| 127 | + |
| 128 | + |
| 129 | + |
| 130 | +### also: the state of ES6 on io.js (re: V8 upgrade policy) |
| 131 | + |
| 132 | +(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/251) |
| 133 | + |
| 134 | +Part of previous discussion |
| 135 | + |
| 136 | +### doc: bump punycode api stability to ‘stable’ |
| 137 | + |
| 138 | +(https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/470) |
| 139 | + |
| 140 | +* **Agreement** |
| 141 | + |
| 142 | +### Working group reports |
| 143 | + |
| 144 | +* Mikeal and Chris to semi-formalise the model |
| 145 | +* Mikeal: 6 people actively engaged and growing, “could not be going better” |
| 146 | +* Chris: streams group has initial set of members, some discussions going on, first meeting pending |
| 147 | + * initial set of members: https://github.com/iojs/readable-stream/issues/97#issuecomment-70399923 |
| 148 | +* Rod: |
| 149 | + - The Docker sub-group is going great and has even got the docker-iojs images accepted as the official Docker "iojs" images. |
| 150 | + - Other "build" efforts are all release-focused for now, trying to streamline the process to make it possible to have multiple people able to cut releases. |
| 151 | + |
| 152 | + |
| 153 | +### ICU |
| 154 | + |
| 155 | +* Bert: |
| 156 | + - joyent/node has small-icu enabled by default making `Intl` work |
| 157 | + - can get it working but it makes the binary twice as big (~8M more) |
| 158 | +* Domenic: ideally we would track browsers and just include it |
| 159 | +* Ben: V8 adds ICU by default but you need to opt-out, which we do |
| 160 | +* Action: **Invite Steven Loomis to the next TC meeting to discuss further** |
| 161 | + |
| 162 | + |
| 163 | +### Next meeting |
| 164 | + |
| 165 | +* 28th January 2015 |
| 166 | + |
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